[Complete] "Stay at home!" - the 2020 Wesnoth coronavirus tournament.
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you know what you can have the game im too busy today.
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Re: [In progress] "Stay at home!" - the 2020 Wesnoth coronavirus tournament.
It excludes maps correctly.Legendary20Miner wrote: ↑April 11th, 2020, 6:17 pm The picker could have very well been bugged when unticking some maps, just like RBY was, its not out of the realm of possibility.
Have you tested it online? I noticed it's not saved in the history, but I checked only offline. I thought chat history doesn't work offline since the chat is unavailable. In any case if it is not saved in history when online I don't think it is possible to fix within the WML.Boy wrote: ↑April 11th, 2020, 6:44 pm Just tested, seems working. But actually pointless - it's not saved at chat history, so you could watch this text only some amount of time and it disappeared. If you P1 with timer - you just ignoring this text. Moreover - this text distracting a bit and that's bad.
If you play as P1 and the timer is very tough, so you don't have time to look at the map list, the list is anyway shown in the replay discouraging people from using wrong map pool.
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Re: [In progress] "Stay at home!" - the 2020 Wesnoth coronavirus tournament.
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[Complete] "Stay at home!" - the 2020 Wesnoth coronavirus tournament.
That would be great Looking forward to seeing it!
THE FINAL ROUND - RESULTS
Spoiler:
We have together defeated boredom during the epidemic.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CHAMPIONS!
- The ultimate champion: Danniel_BR
- The vice-champion: Dauntless
- The 3rd place winner: Caritas
FULL STANDINGS
Spoiler:
But not everything is over yet...
The Best Games Contest
For the future, I would like to make three lists of the best games of the tournament. I invite all tournament participants to nominate 6 games: 2 for each of the 3 categories. The first game from rounds 1-6 and the second from rounds 7-11. Choose whichever games you want but not your own.
Category 1: The most epic games
Games fun for spectators, with crazy RNG, unbelievable comeback or whatever else you mean by epic.
Category 2: The highest quality games
Games where you believe someone has played outstandingly precisely.
Category 3: The most instructive games
Games that you teach you how to play better and show certain strategic ideas or mistakes that players new to 1v1 can learn from.
I am waiting for your votes until Sunday 19th April 2020, 11:59 UTC.
See you,
ForPeace
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"When I say I've been playing for 10 years people come saying they've played for 15 years and that I know nothing about this game because I didn't use to play when the TRUE pros were playing xD" ~Hejnewar
"When I say I've been playing for 10 years people come saying they've played for 15 years and that I know nothing about this game because I didn't use to play when the TRUE pros were playing xD" ~Hejnewar
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For easy choosing best games:
1) There are all replays: 2) There is my table of all games (archive contains ODS and CSV files):
1) There are all replays: 2) There is my table of all games (archive contains ODS and CSV files):
Re: [Complete] "Stay at home!" - the 2020 Wesnoth coronavirus tournament.
Thanks for the tournament
I've enjoyed it
I've enjoyed it
Best regards
clmates
clmates
Re: [Complete] "Stay at home!" - the 2020 Wesnoth coronavirus tournament.
Thanks god I am old and experienced, so I saved my message and now could easily restore it.
This is second version of my message, with removed spoilers for young ones :)
Thanks moderators - they are on duty :)
As foreword:
* It's all my personal opinion.
* They say: "Who has eyes - could see".
First of all, I want to repeat: Ruphus Isle is VERY bad map for tournament (actually, it's just bad).
My priority for factions, starting from the best:
Northerners
Loyalists
Drakes
Rebels
Knalgan
Undead
After I made this priority list, I went to check me here - well, no surprise - stats are telling the same.
I would analyse only games between these players (list according end standings, starting from best player):
Danniel_BR
Dauntless
Caritas
matto
Legendary20Miner
Boy
NanRoig
ForPeace
Baltese_Windragon
Now, table, just stats about which factions got good players when they played each other:
It's expected, at least, for me: first and second places guys got both 4 times top factions when they played against other good players.
So, my mainline position: this tournament was far from fairness. Actually, all Wesnoth tournaments are not fair in general.
Nope, I am not saying that all results should not be accepted. It's just current reality.
As I think - really good serious Wesnoth's tournament should try to minimize unfairness.
To do this there are next methods:
* playing best of 3 each game between 2 players; 1st game shuffle sides, second - manually changing, third - probably random again;
* map only 1 and always the same for all games;
* factions are not random, chooses from near equal pair (north-loys, dwarfs-rebels);
* to not waste time, because there is bo3, only good players allowed to play.
This is second version of my message, with removed spoilers for young ones :)
Thanks moderators - they are on duty :)
As foreword:
* It's all my personal opinion.
* They say: "Who has eyes - could see".
First of all, I want to repeat: Ruphus Isle is VERY bad map for tournament (actually, it's just bad).
My priority for factions, starting from the best:
Northerners
Loyalists
Drakes
Rebels
Knalgan
Undead
After I made this priority list, I went to check me here - well, no surprise - stats are telling the same.
I would analyse only games between these players (list according end standings, starting from best player):
Danniel_BR
Dauntless
Caritas
matto
Legendary20Miner
Boy
NanRoig
ForPeace
Baltese_Windragon
Now, table, just stats about which factions got good players when they played each other:
It's expected, at least, for me: first and second places guys got both 4 times top factions when they played against other good players.
So, my mainline position: this tournament was far from fairness. Actually, all Wesnoth tournaments are not fair in general.
Nope, I am not saying that all results should not be accepted. It's just current reality.
As I think - really good serious Wesnoth's tournament should try to minimize unfairness.
To do this there are next methods:
* playing best of 3 each game between 2 players; 1st game shuffle sides, second - manually changing, third - probably random again;
* map only 1 and always the same for all games;
* factions are not random, chooses from near equal pair (north-loys, dwarfs-rebels);
* to not waste time, because there is bo3, only good players allowed to play.
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What precisely is wrong about it?
Surely. Can't do much about it, RNG and balance issues can spoil the competition. Nonetheless I believe the best performing players were the ones who won.So, my mainline position: this tournament was far from fairness. Actually, all Wesnoth tournaments are not fair in general.
Nope, I am not saying that all results should not be accepted. It's just current reality.
BO3 would be clearly more fair for 1v1 matches.To do this there are next methods:
* playing best of 3 each game between 2 players; 1st game shuffle sides, second - manually changing, third - probably random again;
Only one map would make the tournament monotonous. I prefer a bigger map pool.* map only 1 and always the same for all games;
The problem with "near-equal pairs" is they are different from each players' perspective and map-dependant. Like you said "north-loys, dwarfs-rebels" are near equal. In my opinion dwarfs have an advantage over rebels. Maybe a good idea would be after map is randomly chosen, one player picks a matchup (like "Let's play drakes vs rebels") and the other picks the faction ("I choose rebels").* factions are not random, chooses from near equal pair (north-loys, dwarfs-rebels);
Maybe not just good but experienced and reliable. Entrance criterion ">25 games on Ladder or WesnothLife"?* to not waste time, because there is bo3, only good players allowed to play.
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"When I say I've been playing for 10 years people come saying they've played for 15 years and that I know nothing about this game because I didn't use to play when the TRUE pros were playing xD" ~Hejnewar
"When I say I've been playing for 10 years people come saying they've played for 15 years and that I know nothing about this game because I didn't use to play when the TRUE pros were playing xD" ~Hejnewar
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And here we go again. That table isn't even clear, I have no idea what North+Loy means. Besides, the final places are a result of tiebreaks, many places were tied, 2 players tied for second, 2 for third, 3 for fourth etc.
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(1) Ruphus Isle is bad because:ForPeace wrote: ↑April 12th, 2020, 4:44 pm (1) What precisely is wrong about it?
(2) Only one map would make the tournament monotonous. I prefer a bigger map pool.
(3) The problem with "near-equal pairs" is they are different from each players' perspective and map-dependant.
... In my opinion dwarfs have an advantage over rebels.
(4) ...one player picks a matchup (like "Let's play drakes vs rebels") and the other picks the faction ("I choose rebels").
(5)Maybe not just good but experienced and reliable. Entrance criterion ">25 games on Ladder or WesnothLife"?
* This map VERY depends from wise firstbuying! Players who did not know this map well or already forgot (exp players, as far as I know, didn't play this map) could easily lost.
* It's hard to play against first night orcs rush at left flank.
* Both right and left sides are widely open - if bats or tough glider would be there - it's hard to do smth against.
(2) There are different types of tournaments - ones for crowd and other for determine players true skill. Btw, soccer players play all lifetime at the same "map" :)
(3) This problem is just nothing at face randomly choosed drakes-undead. What would you prefer: rebels for you vs dwarfs - set up manually, or drakes vs undead from random generation? :) According map dependancy, as I said, there is should 1 map, which good for all manually setting up factions.
(4) Sounds interesting, but there is should be more thinking about this mechanism.
(5) All this numbers probably could be used, but real criteria should be smth like one-two known good players would said a word for including new player. There are not so many really good players, actually...
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Im not sure why you push for some kind of elite "invite only" tournament system, given that you almost certainly wouldn't be included there, based on the elo.
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Like you?There are not so many really good players, actually...
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