Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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Re: Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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LordWolfDan wrote: October 1st, 2018, 1:48 pm (7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

- I'd go to add a line after attacking a ghoul: "So it is true, our weapons are not much of a use against these foul creatures. If only we had arcane weaponry provided by Baran!"
Ghouls have very human like resistances, e.g. they have 20% resistance vs arcane damage (just like humans). So that sentence wouldn't make any sense in that context.
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Re: Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
1.14.7 on Knight/Challenging.
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
4. I was never in danger of losing too many of my units, or of failing to win within the turn limit. The Necromancer can easily be taken out with a Horseman charge during the day, and Horsemen are fast enough to skirt around his army and pull that off. I tried to avoid abusing that though, and instead focused on building up some experience for my loyal units.
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Very clear.
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
I did enjoy the dialogue and storyline here, with the dynamic being set up between the two brothers. Although the core storyline - undead attack - isn't particularly unique, the real focus here seems to be on Arvith and Baran's relationship, and the dialogue does well to set that up. It's all pretty well written, too.
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Without any access to arcane or fire damage, dealing with the ghosts was frustrating. Arvith's charge can kill them off during the day, but at night there isn't much you can do against them.

The positioning of the villages along the south bank of the river makes poison particularly potent, as it forces units to withdraw for multiple turns at a time.
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
7. The map is well set up to give you different tactical options, with both sides of the river offering a viable path forwards. The mix of units is unique, with chaotic footpads adding a new dimension to an otherwise lawful army. The dialogue adds some flavour to the battle. However, fighting the ghosts - and to a lesser degree, the bats - was frustrating.
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
Nothing that I can think of.
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Re: Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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Content Feedback wrote: March 10th, 2006, 11:51 pm (1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Both 1.12.5 but I'll answer for challenging because I remember it better.

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
This campaign has only four scenarios so I try to make the numbers reflect perceived difficulty in addition to relative to other scenarios.
8 - Definitely winnable but expect heavy losses, including loyal units (which are plenty).

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
Clear if you look at scenario objectives. The talk suggests that Baran would slay the mage but presumably it fails.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
Of the two Arvith is the man of war, but he doesn't suggest that Baran should draw the undead away with the army while Arvith attacks the leader with horsemen. And Baran invited his brother just for a decoy. I understand why the brothers don't get along.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
Fighting undead with a pierce-oriented army. I lanced the sorcerer on turn 7 because my army was dying.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
4. Pierce vs undead just isn't very fun.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
If leader assasination isn't intended, give the enemy higher income and compensate by reducing his starting gold.
I understand that Arvith comes with his loyal men, but I wish they had something other than pierce.
A loyal infantryman would be something you really want to keep alive.
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Re: Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
Knight (Challenging), 1.15.5
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
3, The scenario could be more difficult.
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
clear
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
clear
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
One Ghost was pretty nasty. I tried to hit it with my leader, but this was not really a good idea...
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
3
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
This scenario could have been a bit more difficult. My first contact with the undead was during the day. I would place more undead on the map to ensure, that the player has to fight them during the first night.
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(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?

1.15.6, Knight (Challenging)

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)

4, the enemy is no threat.

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?

Clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?

I like it.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?

Not suiciding my units after getting them poisoned.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)

6, because there is lots of dialog

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

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(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?
(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)
(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?
(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?
(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?
(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)
(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?
1. Wesnoth 1.15.7 (Challenging)
2. 7
3. Crystal Clear
4. Cool cool cool cool cool no doubt no doubt
5. Trying to avoid getting exposed to those pesky ghouls and figuring out if the Skeletons would be too much of a hassle.
6. 8
7. It's good as it is.
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Re: Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?

Knight (Challenging), Version 1.14.16

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)

2

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?

Pretty clear.

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?

Pretty good. I like the dynamic between the brothers.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?

No issues.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)

6
It's a good starting scenario appropriate for the level of the campaign.

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

I can't think of anything.
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Re: Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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(1) What difficulty levels and game versions have you played the scenario on?

Hard, 1.14.16

(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)

10

(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?

Clear

(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?

Didn't pay attention. Have played before on easy.

(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?

Survival. Not vomiting in revulsion and giving up. Massacred left right and centre. Just went berserk and played on and by stupid luck won on the LAST turn with a desperate rider charge vs the leader in his castle.

(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)

0 (well OK 1)

(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?

The most disgusting thing is that you lose all your loyal troops and have to replace them with recruited Wegelagerer (Ruffians? I forget). I'd make most of the troops non-loyal that you could use as cannon fodder. Being forced to waste loyal troops like that is sickening. There simply isn't enough time or gold to build a screen of recruited ruffians to send out ahead to soften up the undead so that the loyals can dash in and pick off easy kills. Playing defense, using terrain and villages (vs zombies) isn't possible due to the incredibly short time. 18 turns is barely enough to rush at the enemy headlong and reach him.
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Re: Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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The most disgusting thing is that you lose all your loyal troops and have to replace them with recruited Wegelagerer (Ruffians? I forget). I'd make most of the troops non-loyal that you could use as cannon fodder. Being forced to waste loyal troops like that is sickening. There simply isn't enough time or gold to build a screen of recruited ruffians to send out ahead to soften up the undead so that the loyals can dash in and pick off easy kills. Playing defense, using terrain and villages (vs zombies) isn't possible due to the incredibly short time. 18 turns is barely enough to rush at the enemy headlong and reach him.
I think you can recruit fodder units on the first scenario and have those be used as meat shields. The normal strat is getting some Horsemen and Arvith in for charging attacking the leader.
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Re: Scenario 1: Rooting out a Mage

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sounds like someone should give AToTBWaTD a try! It has a "Normal" difficulty you can try before moving on to Hard.
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