Remove the grand marshal?

Attila · Post by **Attila** » March 3rd, 2005, 1:21 am

turin wrote:I am 'fond' of the grand marshal unit idea. But not of the graphics - in fact, i think the graphics are some of the worst in the game. And if no one wants to make better graphics, I think the grand marshal should go.

This is one of the two reason's I hate him. I really like the graphics for the general, but hate to let him move up to grand marshal because of his ungainly sheild and sword and other oddities.

Also, I don't think that the game needs him, I usually play with a core of level two unit suppliment with level one units, and a couple level three units giving support and being there if the other units aren't enough. I never use all level 3 units, I just can't give that many units enough experience.

My vote is for take him out all together, or at least make him only in the campaign.

Post by **turin** » March 3rd, 2005, 1:32 am

Attila wrote: or at least make him only in the campaign.

This is my preferred solution. (if there is indeed a problem).

Attila · Post by **Attila** » March 3rd, 2005, 2:04 am

I actually did try to make better graphics for the grand marshal once, I believe it was one of the first things I ever tried to draw with pixel art, the result was a poorly colored general with a poorly drawn sword, oblonged shield and a weird flag on his head. But, well I still can't draw, but I really don't think that any kind of level four unit is needed.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » March 3rd, 2005, 8:30 am

Well new graphics are the smaller problem.

emdot · Post by **emdot** » March 3rd, 2005, 3:12 pm

My take:

I like Great Marshall and I like Konrad to have 4th level - with one modification. 4th level should not bring combat upgrades. Leadership bonus for 3rd level units is good enough.

Ankka · Post by **Ankka** » March 3rd, 2005, 3:41 pm

Shade wrote:
Ankka wrote:How about Delfador?
Because Delfador is the most experienced of them all And that's the way HttT was designed...

But this guy was saying there weren't any level 5 units or so. I know Delfador is special and so on. I just noted that there was a level 5 unit.

Post by **turin** » March 3rd, 2005, 10:24 pm

Ankka wrote:
Shade wrote: Because Delfador is the most experienced of them all And that's the way HttT was designed...
But this guy was saying there weren't any level 5 units or so. I know Delfador is special and so on. I just noted that there was a level 5 unit.

Delfador is (he has stats of a level 3, has no leadership specialty that is more powerful for higher levels, but is still technically a level 5. so I considered him: )
a level 3 units that gives enemies more experience for fighting him. He's not a true level 5 unit.

stormoog · Post by **stormoog** » April 12th, 2005, 5:16 pm

emdot wrote:My take:

I like Great Marshall and I like Konrad to have 4th level - with one modification. 4th level should not bring combat upgrades. Leadership bonus for 3rd level units is good enough.

Aren't 3rd level units fully grown? In that case maybe it is the leadership bonus that should be kept the same in the General > Great Marshall upgrade: the Great Marshall should still only support 1st and 2nd level units.

Yet that might take away the need of having a 4th level for this unit at all.

Assasin · Post by **Assasin** » April 12th, 2005, 5:48 pm

I don't think it is very fair that the Humans are the only race that has a lvl. 4 unit with leadership. Maybe every one should get one, just boost up the XP neccacary to get it.

Burnsaber · Post by **Burnsaber** » April 12th, 2005, 5:51 pm

Assasin wrote:I don't think it is very fair that the Humans are the only race that has a lvl. 4 unit with leadership. Maybe every one should get one, just boost up the XP neccacary to get it.

Grand Marshal is (IIRC) a special campaign unit. So its not that big of a deal.

Ankka · Post by **Ankka** » April 12th, 2005, 7:24 pm

Burnsaber wrote:
Assasin wrote:I don't think it is very fair that the Humans are the only race that has a lvl. 4 unit with leadership. Maybe every one should get one, just boost up the XP neccacary to get it.
Grand Marshal is (IIRC) a special campaign unit. So its not that big of a deal.

In MP games you can have the liutenant as leader, who can in theory level to the grand marshal... but nearly never are the games long enough for that even with lowest xp settings.

So I agree with you. Not that big deal, really.

Post by **turin** » April 12th, 2005, 9:30 pm

Assasin wrote:I don't think it is very fair that the Humans are the only race that has a lvl. 4 unit with leadership. Maybe every one should get one, just boost up the XP neccacary to get it.

This is just stupid. Not all races have to be the same.

And look at the downsides to the grand marshal too: lots of experience to get, has only as good attacks as a normal level 3 unit - if anything, its worse that the Lord unit (which is, like the GM, only campaign-used).

romnajin · Post by **romnajin** » April 12th, 2005, 9:53 pm

You can have him in multiplayer, it is just VERY VERY hard, like the Sylph.

Assasin · Post by **Assasin** » April 12th, 2005, 11:41 pm

Unless you play Ages of Heros, which I really don't like.

Not all races have to be the same

good point....

romnajin · Post by **romnajin** » April 13th, 2005, 12:04 am

Yeah, you can have the L word in default, but it is nearly impossible to level him high enough.

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