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Re: Gryphon Portrait?

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I had trouble finding a good reference. The best I got was this:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbvi ... s_back.jpg

I also looked at some other images to get a better feel for it.

attachments for sgt. Groovy, as per this topic:
http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=21961

For Sgt. Groovy:

The odd one has the "double" paths.
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I'd definitely go for a front view... That is not a good view for an identifying portrait.
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Hmm... I suppose I'll give that a shot. It will definitely make it look more like a gryphon.
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Bit off topic here:
I noticed the other day that our gryphons' wings look quite similar to the ones you can see in Ragnarok Online. :hmm:
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They do a bit, don't they?

/me compares the two closely, in the hope that this won't be a repeat of the skeleton warrior problem...

A vain hope, apparently - they're identical to my eye apart from the little feather escaping the leading edge of the wing on the ragnarok one..

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Oh s**t! :shock: That's... :cry: I... I can't... Get it... :cry: Who made the Gryphon sprites (o wings, actually...)!? Come over here and take this! --->
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EDIT: HEY! They're not identical to my eye! :) I scaled down the (non wesnoth) Gryphon and then compared it to the Wesnoth Gryphon; the wings are definedly not the same, but I think the one who made the Wesnoth gryphon used them as a base. I think.
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thespaceinvader wrote:They do a bit, don't they?

/me compares the two closely, in the hope that this won't be a repeat of the skeleton warrior problem...

A vain hope, apparently - they're identical to my eye apart from the little feather escaping the leading edge of the wing on the ragnarok one..

In a nutshell:
I did completely design the body of the unit on my own, prior to ever having seen Ragnarok Online. However, I was having (weeks of) trouble with the wings, and did completely crib them in the flying frames. Shame on me. My method actually wasn't copy-paste, I was in fact drawing from sight, but that doesn't matter; I did copy the motion and wing construction almost exactly. :augh: (Note that this dates back to over a year ago, around 1.1, IIRC).

:annoyed: It's probably a good lesson as to why you should never do this. It will get found out. The world is that small.



It was the first time I'd animated wings, and I'd crashed and burned trying to do it myself, after having designed the base frame of the unit. At the time, we had no proper movement animations, no support for images outside of the hex - half the impetus was just to get something workable into svn to make sure the code support got solid - or really to prove that animations like this were even feasible in wesnoth. Since then I've gotten much better at animation - the bats, for example, were 100% my creation, not even inspired by anything else.

At that point I'd coincidentally discovered that RO's gryphon design was a hell of a lot like the basic design I'd come up with for the look of the unit (I was actually inspired by Warcraft III - go figure). It's bizarre that that would happen - I've never played RO, and I'd never seen that before. I really did the basic design of the units' look without ever having seen theirs. The similarity might have been part of what prompted me to go ahead and do that.



Verdict:
:| I have no problem with the visual look of the gryphon being somewhat similar to theirs. There's no reason to redesign that, because I didn't crib that in the first place. However, we're really due for a remake of the wings and flying frames, anyways. The current wings are a good deal too long and thin, and the motion is all a bit -stiff- anyways. Amongst other things, I intend to make the unit such that it can do like the bat, and perpetually "fly" as its standing animation - thus making it clear that it's flying, and has good defense because of that. The current frames wouldn't work for that anyways.


:? Incidentally, the good news about this is that after this, I'm free of skeletons in my closet. It's the only thing I've ever cribbed for wesnoth. Nor, would I ever have reason to again, since I now am capable of animating pretty much anything, on my own.
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Jetryl wrote: Verdict:
:| I have no problem with the visual look of the gryphon being somewhat similar to theirs. There's no reason to redesign that, because I didn't crib that in the first place. However, we're really due for a remake of the wings and flying frames, anyways. The current wings are a good deal too long and thin, and the motion is all a bit -stiff- anyways. Amongst other things, I intend to make the unit such that it can do like the bat, and perpetually "fly" as its standing animation - thus making it clear that it's flying, and has good defense because of that. The current frames wouldn't work for that anyways.
I remember offering to re-do the gryphon wings when I first joined. You didn't see any need then, but I'd be happy to give it another (better :roll:) shot after I finish this portrait. Or maybe right away if that's necessary....

I did this for Orbivm, here's the thread it's in http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21593
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Here's the Gryphon in a different pose...it's nowhere near neat enough to even start adding details, but I was wondering if the pose is good.
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That looks good to me =)
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Would it be too hard to make the wings spread out?
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It would be very difficult to fit it in the frame with spread wings.
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Okay just though it would look more striking that way.
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It's resting, so it would not have spread wings, I don't think. But not a bad idea, it would be more striking. I'll stick with it how it is, though.
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Corvvs wrote:It's resting, so it would not have spread wings, I don't think. But not a bad idea, it would be more striking. I'll stick with it how it is, though.
Yeah i like the one you've done. It still looks striking without the wings though.
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