The Ravagers - SP campaign for Wesnoth 1.16 [Feedback and development]

[King_Of_Sloths]

My bad, I haven't played UTBS since 1.12, so I didn't know they got a redesign. I thought WhiteWolf made a different version.

[WhiteWolf]

I attached a save for the last bug I reported.

Thanks Sadly it didn't give any further clues about the issue, everything seemed to go normally there. My only idea is that an off-scenario global event removed it somehow, but which and how, I don't know. I'll keep fiddling with it, see if I can find what went wrong.

I was playing the Bloodbeard treasure sidequest and Gallien died, but i didn't lose, so I attached a save file for that.

I see, I checked the save file. Apparently, this happens if you start the sidequest from a point past map 21 in the main story. Sorry for that, it'll be fixed in the next version.

Also in that save is something I've noticed a lot throughout the campaign, units that don't have firststrike attacking first on defense (turn 7, palldry attacking the wraith). Is this supposed to happen or is it a bug?

I see. I already know that the Initiative skill can cause odd behaviors in the latest published version (and it's already fixed for the next version). Palldry has a silent firststrike in his inspection window for some reason, and because you have a Silver Archmage in your recall list who has the Initiative skill, I'm guessing this is a manifestation of the issue.
Some advice to avoid further bugs, while playing this version, try to avoid getting a unit with a default firststrike and a unit with initiative adjacent - the firststrike skill could potentially be lost forever in some combinations (not always but in some cases).

Also, imo the quenoth taurochs are op, especially stalwarts. [...] My suggested solution is to drop their flat defense to 30% (in line with other riders). Other than that, the Quenoth are really cool!

As said before, yes the Quenoth are directly referenced from mainline, but that doesn't mean their stats can't be overriden I'll see what needs to be done, I agree that the Taurochs are quite powerful in that scenario, setting a 30% flat defense seems very reasonable.

[King_Of_Sloths]

I beat the campaign, it was great! A few questions and a few suggestions.

Spoiler:

I chose Madock to be the earl of Dorest. Does this have any consequences other than whether or not they show up against totalomir?

Suggestion time:
Improve the description of Reed's fear of too many Ravagers. I beat the campaign and still don't know what it means.
Add TRS after the ids of undead units. Not having it causes issues with the dark shade and reaper, because other add-ons use the same id.
Elvish Marshals can level up into defeated warlords because the defeated warlords use regular warlords as a base.
When I leveled up one of the necromancers to a lich and advanced him again, there were multiple options because other add-ons used "ancient lich" as an id for their custom unit (I know it sucks that you have to work around other creators being lazy and not making unique ids, but that's just how it is.

[WhiteWolf]

Glad you liked it

Reply to the spoiler:

The earl of Dorest might aid you directly / attack you in the back / try to ambush Totalomir / directly side with Totalomir / not show up, based on whom you elect, and what fate you chose for king Bradson. Their connection with the old king is hinted at in their introduction, from which you can guess their later loyalty.
But so far this is the only effect they have on the story. I'd really love to include more options like this, when a past decision influences something in the outcome, and it is relatively easy to implement. In 1.3 there already is a small impact on the main story if you complete the Palldry sidequest before map X. It's also been suggested to give an option to try to directly assault Barag Gór at the Warchief map, which I definitely want to include after 1.3 comes out, and I'm thinking of adding a long-term effect to that decision as well.
Other suggestions are welcome.

Suggestion time:
Improve the description of Reed's fear of too many Ravagers. I beat the campaign and still don't know what it means.

It's just a flavour text that tries to "explain" why he always runs off. But I'll try.

Add TRS after the ids of undead units. Not having it causes issues with the dark shade and reaper, because other add-ons use the same id.
Elvish Marshals can level up into defeated warlords because the defeated warlords use regular warlords as a base.
When I leveled up one of the necromancers to a lich and advanced him again, there were multiple options because other add-ons used "ancient lich" as an id for their custom unit (I know it sucks that you have to work around other creators being lazy and not making unique ids, but that's just how it is.

I'll fix those, but the Ancient Lich is going to give me a bit of a headache because it's a core unit included with an extra define. But I'm a bit confused - why are the other add-ons custom units included in the path? I know it's an issue in multiplayer, but the singleplayer path should be protected, so even if the foreign unit has the same ID, it shouldn't show up... but I'm not so sure now. I'll need to check how this works.

Thanks for playing

[King_Of_Sloths]

Ah, I thought Reed's thing was a way to terrify him. I couldn't tell you how the unit ids work, but I'd probably place fault on the creator of the other add-on (can't remember what add-on it is). It might also have to do with debug mode, because I used debug mode to give my lich exp, but i turned it off before i got him the level-up and he still could level into the other add-ons ancient lich, so idk. I'm no WML expert (my 1.12 campaign doesn't even load properly anymore lol)

[WhiteWolf]

I couldn't tell you how the unit ids work, but I'd probably place fault on the creator of the other add-on (can't remember what add-on it is). It might also have to do with debug mode, because I used debug mode to give my lich exp, but i turned it off before i got him the level-up and he still could level into the other add-ons ancient lich, so idk. I'm no WML expert (my 1.12 campaign doesn't even load properly anymore lol)

Well I tried creating a unit as Ancient Lich in a separate add-on, and it doesn't cause conflicts, regardless of debug mode (that still should only access units in the TRS path) Do you remember which add-ons you had that could have caused this? Maybe if I take a look at them it'll help explain why they appeared in the game.

[King_Of_Sloths]

The other ancient lich that shows up is from reign of the lords. My guess is it interferes with single player stuff because its also a modification for single player campaigns

[Konrad2]

The other ancient lich that shows up is from reign of the lords. My guess is it interferes with single player stuff because its also a modification for single player campaigns

Did you perhaps enable the add-on when you started The Ravagers? Or maybe you started this campaign long ago, before this bug was fixed? If neither is true, please report to the add-on manager of RotL. Because that's a bug.

[WhiteWolf]

The other ancient lich that shows up is from reign of the lords. My guess is it interferes with single player stuff because its also a modification for single player campaigns

Thanks

The other ancient lich that shows up is from reign of the lords. My guess is it interferes with single player stuff because its also a modification for single player campaigns

Did you perhaps enable the add-on when you started The Ravagers? Or maybe you started this campaign long ago, before this bug was fixed? If neither is true, please report to the add-on manager of RotL. Because that's a bug.

It's indeed a bug in RotL: all units are loaded into the path, regardless of the modification is checked or not, but the units are only used if the mod is checked. However, Eternal Lich always loads a variation of the ancient lich. I'll report this in the appropriate forum.

[WhiteWolf]

And finally, 1.3 has been published. It focuses on the new sidequest, titled The Ice Diamond, with a new race and a new special reward drink. The gameplay is intended to be unique and tries to take large steps away from regular Wesnoth game rules for the first scenario by averting the focus to building and economy management.
The release also introduces a new bargame, and almost doubles the variety of drink reward special skills, which are now selectable. Some voiceover lines have been refined, and others are in progress, as a courtesy of theuncertainman

Several suggestions have been implemented (see full changelog), and more are on the way during the 1.3 series. The release also brings a large assortment of bugfixes and UI improvements.

The odd minor version number keeps indicating that this is still a development version - therefore compatibility between future releases is still not guaranteed.
1.1.22 saved games are not completely compatible with 1.3.0. The main campaign should run without issues, but certain things will be broken: these are the sound effects, some abilities. You will be able to launch the new sidequest, but the new bargame probably won't work, if you start it past a certain point.

For veteran players who already beat the game, and don't want to start it again just to see the new content, you may use this savefile:

Compatible_Inn_Save.gz

For veteran players, launch the new sidequest by loading this Inn save.

(23.82 KiB) Downloaded 168 times

This will take you to the Inn, where you can start the new sidequest.

Complete changelog for 1.3.0:

New Features:
- New sidequest: The Ice Diamond
- New bargame: Muttonleg
- New Race: Frozen Humans and Frozen Golem
- New Special Drink: Dwarvish Hooch (advance this unit)
- Some hero epic drink rewards are now selectable. New abilities: Second Wind, Adaptive, Exploit, Deadlock, Piercethrough, Defender, Opportunity Attack
- New soldiers sounds for defender and attacker warcries, recruitment and selection

Changes and improvements:
- Vodyon can now appear in the main campaign
- New Whess Card: Mercenary Beast
- Switched 'green' colored texts to 'lime' and 'blue' to 'cyan' for better visibility
- Enhanced the Outfits window with small icons
- Improved the Manage All window in trainkill: now you can select if being at max level should be a criteria
- Trainkill is now auto-disabled, if the unit is attacked by a berserk unit
- Changed rain schedule's lawful bonus amount from 15% to 10%, corresponding to the description
- Improved journey animation of the [story] of scenario 12
- Changed gold carryover on map 10 from 30% to 20%
- Khaso's weakness is now no longer indicated in the unit sidebar
- The Age of Tanks is over: AMLA max experience raise has been nerfed, ranging from 10% to and 25% increase, depending on amla level. Advanced technique has been split to melee or ranged amla, only one can be selected (including the pool of other elite warrior specializations)

Units, abilities and other specials reworks:
- Dwarvish Gunslinger is now an available advancement from Thunderer
- Desert Cannibal is now in the Dunefolk race
- Changed ability reward for killing a Killer Rabbit from Regenerates to Initiative
- Removed the effect of the Mining ability, changed description to: "This unit can enter a mine."
- Buffed Dwarvish Gunslinger's MP from 4 to 6
- Tharos is now loyal on all difficulties, received Vigilant trait. Other is random.
- Retaliator ability is now functional with: When this unit is hit while defending with this weapon, the opponent will cut itself on these blades, and will suffer 40% of the damage he caused with its strike. The attacker unit can't be killed with this special.
- Nerfed the flat terrain defense of all Tauroch units from 40% to 30%

Game fixes:
- Fixed death defeat event not triggering for Gallien in the sidequests if it was started past map 21 in main story
- Fixed an issue whereby Strike of Death wounds did not heal at the end of map 18
- Fixed an issue whereby despite an engaged trainkill, the eagle eye ability could still kill an enemy unit.
- Fixed an issue whereby in Whess you could bet more gold than Baldor actually had, if Dayton had less than 40.
- Fixed an issue whereby units with vitalize gave vitality to everyone
- Fixed an issue whereby it was not possible to undo moves on FoV-5
- Elvish Marshal can no longer advance into Defeated Warlord filler
- Fixed missing TRS from the id of Reaper and Dark Shade
- Fixed numerous missing max HP increases at orc rages
- Fixed untranslatable string labels in sliders
- Fixed buggy name of the reward ability for killing a Killer Rabbit
- Fixed Maggoth being renamable
- Fixed Desert Cannibal's sprite placement
- Fixed Jouster's image icon
- Fixed female Elvish Master Archer's name
- Fixed a missing frame in snow animations, causing it to glitch
- Fixed time_area bug on map 16 by switching to replace_schedule instead
- Fixed an issue whereby the Initiative skill could remove a unit's first strike ability after a battle.
- Fixed missing frames of ragged flags (FLAG_VARIANT -> FLAG_VARIANT6)
- Typos

My personal note on the new maps is that they are exceptionally random. I playtested them the best I could, but feedback would be much appreciated, from all difficulties New stuff could also mean new bugs, so issue reports are welcome.
Cheers and happy new year!

[Konrad2]

That's a very nice way to tie in your other campaigns.

building minig town -> a mining

I lose the scenario if I default? What does that even mean?


There is no mouseover text for the 'go here' icon in front of Baldin.

Something seems to be wrong with 'Trivial' difficulty.

Spoiler:

There seem to be lots of pango troubles. The scenario is probably playable, but it's not nice to look at.

Spoiler:

And would you mind telling me what mods you are using in that save?

Also, the side quest is announced as a 5 scenario long quest, but the formal description says that it is 4 scenarios long.

[WhiteWolf]

I lose the scenario if I default? What does that even mean?

To default: to fail to do something, such as pay a debt, that you legally have to do.
But it even says in parentheses that you lose if all gold is spent

There is no mouseover text for the 'go here' icon in front of Baldin.

Do you mean Baldor? Tooltips in general sometimes take surprisingly long to load and display (I don't know why, this is probably an issue with Wesnoth's UI), so can you please check again? There should be one.

Something seems to be wrong with 'Trivial' difficulty.

Spoiler:

difficulty.png

There seem to be lots of pango troubles. The scenario is probably playable, but it's not nice to look at.

Spoiler:

pango stuff.png
more pango.png

It's fine here, but I checked on a Windows system, and it is indeed broken there. Apparently Windows doesn't handle 'lime' as an RGB code, so I replace that with the direct color name, it should work fine now.

And would you mind telling me what mods you are using in that save?

Oops I forgot to uncheck those. I believe Advanced Order Cancelling and Unitmarker are active in the save. I can generate another, clear save if the mods are disturbing.

Also, the side quest is announced as a 5 scenario long quest, but the formal description says that it is 4 scenarios long.

Fixed that as well (it's 4 battle scenarios), and uploaded 1.3.1

Changelog 1.3.1:

1.3.1
- Fixed lime colored texts for Windows systems
- Corrected the stated length of Ice Diamond at launch window
- Fixed wrong objective description on maps 3 and 4

[Konrad2]

Do you mean Baldor? Tooltips in general sometimes take surprisingly long to load and display (I don't know why, this is probably an issue with Wesnoth's UI), so can you please check again? There should be one.

Oops, I meant to check what his actual name is instead of sticking with the placeholder.
Yeah, there is. I guess it just was the last one to load when I previously checked.

Oops I forgot to uncheck those. I believe Advanced Order Cancelling and Unitmarker are active in the save. I can generate another, clear save if the mods are disturbing.

That would be quite nice of you.

[WhiteWolf]

Oops, I meant to check what his actual name is instead of sticking with the placeholder.
Yeah, there is. I guess it just was the last one to load when I previously checked.

I've also found that it helps to slightly move the cursor a bit, but still on the hex, then it loads immediately. I don't even know if this is a known issue, maybe I'll ask around about it sometime.

Compatible_Save_nomods.gz

Without the mods.

(21.37 KiB) Downloaded 180 times

I hope I didn't forget anything this time

[Konrad2]

Dwellings are used to house your untits -> units
for example reinforecements -> reinforcements
can already tase tonight's -> taste