Alternate names for "Lawful" and "Chaotic&quo
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Alternate names for "Lawful" and "Chaotic&quo
Post your proposals for replacing the Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic system here. I think this subject could benefit from a really good brainstorm, so just throw out everything which comes to mind.
An idea of minel: Daydwellers/Neutral/Darkdwellers
An idea of minel: Daydwellers/Neutral/Darkdwellers
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Day fighter/Night fighter
Honestly, after watching "The Last Samurai" the terms lawful and chaotic have fully ceased to bother me. Watching the samurai and emperor's armies fight on the battlefield followed certain rules of war common at the time. Contrast that with the ninja attacking the samurai village at night. Lawful and chaotic.
Honestly, after watching "The Last Samurai" the terms lawful and chaotic have fully ceased to bother me. Watching the samurai and emperor's armies fight on the battlefield followed certain rules of war common at the time. Contrast that with the ninja attacking the samurai village at night. Lawful and chaotic.
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Unless that was sarcasm you must have missed the point. The change is needed cause lawful and chaotic have nothing to do with the units morale status. Lawful units fight better at day and chaotic units fight better at night.Assasin wrote:Good guy/Bad guy
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In the spirit of brainstorming, a bit of stream of conciousness...
- Diurnal / Nocturnal (proposed by someone else in the other thread)
- Lighturnal / Nocturnal (lighturnal is made up )
- Of the Light / Of the Night (probably too long, and weakly worded)
- Lightful / Nightful
- Lighturnal / Nighturnal
- Ordered / Chaotic
- Nightblind / Lightblind (kinda backwards)
- Daydweller (Lightdweller) / Nightdweller
- Lightkin / Nightkin (Darkkin)
- Lightfriend / Nightfriend
Mix and match as desired. I think diurnal / nocturnal is the most descriptive, but perhaps is too scientific for the mood we're going for. I think my favorite would be lightkin / nocturnal or daydweller / nocturnal.
- Diurnal / Nocturnal (proposed by someone else in the other thread)
- Lighturnal / Nocturnal (lighturnal is made up )
- Of the Light / Of the Night (probably too long, and weakly worded)
- Lightful / Nightful
- Lighturnal / Nighturnal
- Ordered / Chaotic
- Nightblind / Lightblind (kinda backwards)
- Daydweller (Lightdweller) / Nightdweller
- Lightkin / Nightkin (Darkkin)
- Lightfriend / Nightfriend
Mix and match as desired. I think diurnal / nocturnal is the most descriptive, but perhaps is too scientific for the mood we're going for. I think my favorite would be lightkin / nocturnal or daydweller / nocturnal.
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Oh man. Yeah, you're right.
Why are we restricting ourselves to adjectives?
Lets just change the verbal interpretation of "alignment", which has never been formalized, from:
Alignment = "This unit is ____ ."
to:
Alignment = "This unit prefers to fight in the _____ ."
And then lets use the most basic terms available: either "Light and Shadow" or "Day and Night."
I reiterate that the primary problem with "Lawful and Chaotic" is the Lawful part, because it makes the whole thing seem to be a measure of the unit's morality. That the term "Alignment" has been used before in Dungeons and Dragons type games as precisely that - a measure of the character's morality, compounds the problem. A number of people, myself obviously included, don't want it to be a measure of the unit's morality in any way.
Why are we restricting ourselves to adjectives?
Lets just change the verbal interpretation of "alignment", which has never been formalized, from:
Alignment = "This unit is ____ ."
to:
Alignment = "This unit prefers to fight in the _____ ."
And then lets use the most basic terms available: either "Light and Shadow" or "Day and Night."
I reiterate that the primary problem with "Lawful and Chaotic" is the Lawful part, because it makes the whole thing seem to be a measure of the unit's morality. That the term "Alignment" has been used before in Dungeons and Dragons type games as precisely that - a measure of the character's morality, compounds the problem. A number of people, myself obviously included, don't want it to be a measure of the unit's morality in any way.
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Since whatever term we use is going to appear by itself in the GUI under the unit type, I think we need to restrict ourselves to adjectives or adjective phrases. "Spearman \n Level 1 \n Day" would be confusing, IMO - it might be interpreted as a time of day statement, if anything. As long as alignment remains where it is in the GUI, we need to maintain the parellel construction of the unit type / level / "alignment" tuple - both level and alignment modify the unit type, in a grammatical sense, implying the alignment phrase should be an adjective. (And yes, I agree, "alignment" is a poor term, although I have no alternative suggestions at the moment.) [/channelling lit major relatives]Jetryl wrote:Why are we restricting ourselves to adjectives?
If we were to use a noun, we would need a clever way to display it unambiguously; unfortunately, I can't think of anything at the moment. Perhaps after some sleep.
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Well, it IS. It's a measure of the unit's morality in a conventional sense. Farmers that get up as the [censored] crows to plough the fields are the good guys, those that squander their silver in taverns after dark are the bad guys, IF you apply a conventional (socially-accepted) sense of morality. This has nothing to do with good or evil. The problem is not wesnoth, it's those people who take Dungeons and Dragons away from the table as their approach to life!Jetryl wrote:I reiterate that the primary problem with "Lawful and Chaotic" is the Lawful part, because it makes the whole thing seem to be a measure of the unit's morality.
I for one hugely prefer the existing terms, and the feeling they give for a medieval-style subjective morality that sees the natural daylight rhythm as a central element.
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Yeah, uh, like Rhuvaen, I maintain that it is, in fact, a measure of the units morality. Or style of fighting. Or whatever.
If people really find the "lawful" part bad, it could be changed to "orderly". But "chaotic" is good, IMHO.
If people really find the "lawful" part bad, it could be changed to "orderly". But "chaotic" is good, IMHO.
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