Heavy Infantryman Pwn3d

JW · Post by JW » October 5th, 2006, 9:50 pm

CuddleFish wrote:HI are not overpowered (against Knalgans), most of the time they have 30% to 40% defense, which means their blocking is as horrible as the drakes, if you put that into perspective, their 30% impact resistance isnt alot, a dwarf fighter can stand toe to toe against a HI at anytime except for daytime, dwarf fighters are cheaper, have better defense %, and have a better movement type

not only can knalgans stand toe to toe against HI, they have superior mobiliy, on medium and big maps this offers the knalgans superior village grabbing and fog clearing (some of you will never understand this cus you dont know how to use footpads and gryffs)

do you seriously think you're more intelligent at this game when it comes to balancing issues than Noy?

Noy is an MP dev. He obviously knows the game and how it plays. He's also a very good player, so you might want to assume that he knows 10x more about wesnoth than you do, not the reverse.

Good day.

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » October 5th, 2006, 9:54 pm

JW wrote:Are you stupid?

No. He isn't.

JW · Post by JW » October 5th, 2006, 10:00 pm

Elvish Pillager wrote:
JW wrote:Are you stupid?
No. He isn't.

What I meant to ask was, "do you seriously think you're more intelligent at this game when it comes to balancing issues than Noy?"

It just came out that way accidentally. Editing.

CuddleFish · Post by **CuddleFish** » October 6th, 2006, 2:05 am

dont try to supress me with your dev "godliness"
you were the ones who once asserted that "wesnoth is perfectly balanced"

QUOTE Noy
"every time someone says wesnoth is imbalanced, a little piece of noy dies"

*cough* hypocrites *cough*

Post by **Maeglin Dubh** » October 6th, 2006, 2:40 am

If you boys plan on throwing mud at each other, take it to PM's. We don't need to see you embarass yourselves.

<player> · Post by **<player>** » October 6th, 2006, 3:24 am

Why do you have to change the Heavy Infantry?

The dwarves just need a unit(poacher could have fire arrow attack) to counter this unit. Besides the Heavy Infantry thing kind of sucks in comparasion to trolls

Post by **Noy** » October 6th, 2006, 4:10 am

CuddleFish wrote:dont try to supress me with your dev "godliness"
you were the ones who once asserted that "wesnoth is perfectly balanced"

This pissess me off.

NEVER have I ever said that its perfectly balanced, neither has any of the devs.

And any long term player will say that the developers are some of the best players
Proof?
http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12481

Soliton a 31-7 record. HMM
DK 14-8

In the 1v1 tournament soliton lost in the semi Finals. DK is in the finals. Becephalaus and I play each day, as do JW and I. Who are you exactly? Do you actually think you have the skill to play at the top level? really, be honest, do you?

You know if you asked this in a nice way, like "could you tell me the reason why X was changed? I think its unbalanced." I and everybody else would treat you kindly and consider your question respectfully. Instead you come in here proceed to tell us how to do our jobs and be rude and condecending about it at the same time.

JW · Post by JW » October 6th, 2006, 4:14 am

first off, a "<3" emoticon for Noy.

second, cuddlingfish, you seem to have lots of "issues" with the official game. Why don't you change what you want, release your own version, and see how many people prefer it to what these devs make?

CuddleFish · Post by **CuddleFish** » October 6th, 2006, 5:38 am

*posts something just to piss off noy and jw*

...anyways... i dont think the HI is worth 19 gold

Post by **Yogibear** » October 6th, 2006, 6:06 am

If i thought the HI is not worth 19 gold, i wouldn't recruit it.

If i thought loyalists (or using the HI) are underpowered compared to dwarves and the best players don't, then i would in the first place think they will have reasons for it.

If i see the best players play and they recruit HI against dwarves and win, then i would think "hey, i must be missing something with the HI".

There is a really easy way to solve this: Let's try. Cuddlefish plays dwarves, one of the good players loyalists. Then we will see if recruiting HI is a bad idea or not. How about that instead of pointless "i am right and you don't know what you are talking about"?

Tomsik · Post by **Tomsik** » October 6th, 2006, 10:02 am

That's job of MP devs, let them do what they think is right, they have experience in balancing.

Post by **Soliton** » October 6th, 2006, 12:46 pm

CuddleFish wrote: ...anyways... i dont think the HI is worth 19 gold

The problem you're having is that you simply state things without any arguments backing it up as if it was the most obvious thing in the world. Maybe it is to you, however if you want to have any chance in convincing someone else you better back your statements up.

Post by **irrevenant** » October 8th, 2006, 5:32 am

JW wrote:Cuddlefish, you seem to have lots of "issues" with the official game. Why don't you change what you want, release your own version, and see how many people prefer it to what these devs make?

Now that is a win-win solution...

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » October 8th, 2006, 11:42 am

It really isn't.

appleide · Post by **appleide** » October 8th, 2006, 12:49 pm

Appleide covers himself in ice, runs in.

Soliton wrote:
CuddleFish wrote: ...anyways... i dont think the HI is worth 19 gold
The problem you're having is that you simply state things without any arguments backing it up as if it was the most obvious thing in the world. Maybe it is to you, however if you want to have any chance in convincing someone else you better back your statements up.

CuddleFish wrote:a dwarf fighter can stand toe to toe against a HI at anytime except for daytime, dwarf fighters are cheaper, have better defense %, and have a better movement type

Appleide gets burnt, runs out.

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