Suggestion for Paladin.

Sandman · Post by **Sandman** » July 17th, 2006, 9:25 pm

Maybe paladin should have mace instead of holy sword (and of course impact damage), and a little higher hp. I think his mace attack could be even stronger (9-5 instead of 8-5). It would make him more universal, but he still be quite strong against some undeads.

FleshPeeler · Post by **FleshPeeler** » July 18th, 2006, 1:32 am

Sandman wrote:Maybe paladin should have mace instead of holy sword (and of course impact damage), and a little higher hp. I think his mace attack could be even stronger (9-5 instead of 8-5). It would make him more universal, but he still be quite strong against some undeads.

That makes sense. How about a mace for melee and a ranged Holy attack of 6-3 or 7-3?

JW · Post by JW » July 18th, 2006, 2:08 am

FleshPeeler wrote:That makes sense. How about a mace for melee and a ranged Holy attack of 6-3 or 7-3?

Let's give him Fly movetype while we're at it.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » July 18th, 2006, 2:17 am

And a bag of chips.[/unnecesary]

Hmmm...:
- Illuminate
- Self Heal
- Ranged Holy attack
- Cures
- Mace

Well, if we go with the pumped-up fantasy special one1one: Ranged Holy, Blade melee and heals should do it.

If we go with the grittier kind of PÃƒÂ¢ladin: Mace and Illuminate should do it.

I want a gritty Paladin. Impact is a good damage type (and it fits with the whole clerical side of war if you want to go that way), and Illuminate has been met with some support.

toms · Post by **toms** » July 18th, 2006, 5:23 am

With a mace and Illuminates, he is just a mage of light on a horse. My suggestion is to give him just a mace as an addition to his weapons. (10-3?)

Post by **Kestenvarn** » July 18th, 2006, 10:18 am

Except no healing... or magical holy attack... yeah, completely the same.

"With these abilities, he is just a fish on a horse! Fishies shouldn't be riding horses! My suggestion is to give him water move."

toms · Post by **toms** » July 18th, 2006, 11:56 am

Water move may be not the best idea, but he could get mountain move. That would give him even more movement flexibility, and he could also act as a powerful scout.

But anyway, why not Illuminates?? It would make him useful against non-undead too.

Post by **Kestenvarn** » July 18th, 2006, 12:06 pm

JW · Post by JW » July 18th, 2006, 3:23 pm

Kestenvarn wrote:

I concur.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » July 18th, 2006, 3:26 pm

Kestenvarn wrote:

You are a nice guy Kest, you really are, but there are some things beyond the scope of blunt straightforwardness.

...mage of light on a horse.

Except i don't want him blasting Undead at ranged. Also, Holy is pretty much overkill vs. Undead, and i would rather keep Holy attacks in more frail units as the Mages to compensate this.

On the healing department, i think that is sorta cheesy, thus i want only a Mace to bash Undead in a moderate way, and Illuminates for the special factor.

Jew unit · Post by **Jew unit** » July 19th, 2006, 12:36 am

the problem with impact is the ghost isnt hurt more by it... and i imagine the paladin running around disapearing ghost (or freeing the souls that are trapped).
i like the ranged holy attack idea but probably makes it too good a unit

Post by **Zhukov** » July 19th, 2006, 4:00 am

Oh look, this thread just produced something worth noticing.

I like Cuyo's idea. It simply works. He would be sufficiently distinguished from the GK but still useful. Illuminate and the impact damage would obviously make him effective against undead but unlike holy they can be used against other opponents as well. He wouldn't be the 'kicks undead arse 24 hours a day' that he is at the moment but he would damn handy to have about when up against undead.

To reply to Jew unit's objection, while he may not be so great against undead who resist impact, he can still use that illuminate to weaken them and support others in finishing them off.

appleide · Post by **appleide** » July 19th, 2006, 4:17 am

Zhukov wrote:Oh look, this thread just produced something worth noticing.

I like Cuyo's idea. It simply works. He would be sufficiently distinguished from the GK but still useful. Illuminate and the impact damage would obviously make him effective against undead but unlike holy they can be used against other opponents as well. He wouldn't be the 'kicks undead arse 24 hours a day' that he is at the moment but he would damn handy to have about when up against undead.

To reply to Jew unit's objection, while he may not be so great against undead who resist impact, he can still use that illuminate to weaken them and support others in finishing them off.

But... I think he should lose his charge attack, illuminate, Impact, and have holy damage also dealt from his mace, this holy damage is weaker than the mace damage, but be better against ghosts and such.

Post by **Zhukov** » July 19th, 2006, 4:25 am

Disagree. The whole point of the impact is to replace the mega-against-undead-but-crap-against-everything-else holy. If he loses charge the GK will still be the favoured unit.

I regret starting this thread.

appleide · Post by **appleide** » July 19th, 2006, 4:42 am

You should agree too, it is definately not right for the paladin to be completely useless against the ghost.

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